The Fantasy Football Archivers
The Fantasy Football Archivers will be taking a deep dive looking at the past Fantasy Football season to compare the ADP VS top 10 finishes for Quarterbacks, Running backs, Wide receivers, Tight Ends. Where Zach Waldron and Jon Miller aka J-MiL will be helping you compare the previous season to make you better at drafting for the years to come. Each season will consist of 4 episodes and the episodes will be released every 2 weeks.
ADP stands for Average Draft Position
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Unveiling 2022 Fantasy Football Running Back Shockers: ADP Insights and Top 10 Outcomes
Unlock the secrets of fantasy football success with our deep dive into the 2022 season's running back dynamics. Have you ever wondered how much your draft strategy impacts your team's performance? We unravel the mysteries behind Average Draft Position (ADP) and top 10 finishes, with eye-opening revelations about stars like Austin Ekeler, Christian McCaffrey, and the unexpected breakout of Tony Pollard. We question the influence of full PPR formats on player selection and explore how injuries and trades, like McCaffrey's move to San Francisco, reshaped the rankings landscape. Brace yourself for a fascinating discussion that challenges conventional drafting wisdom and offers fresh insights for your next fantasy league.
As we navigate the ups and downs of the season, we spotlight the rollercoaster performances of players like Jonathan Taylor and Dalvin Cook while examining the strategic implications of pairing backfield talents such as Aaron Jones and Joe Mixon. Who lived up to their hype, and who fell short of expectations? We tackle these questions head-on, offering a candid analysis of how high ADP picks like Najee Harris and DeAndre Swift turned into cautionary tales. Join us as we dissect the season's surprises and disappointments, providing a comprehensive breakdown of running back trends that will have you rethinking your future draft strategies.
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Welcome to the Fantasy Football Archivers podcast with your host, zach Waldron, and John Miller, aka J Mill.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to the 2022 season, season two, episode two of the Fantasy Football Archivers. My name is Zach Waldron, with your co-host, john Miller, aka J Mill. Hey, hey, and on today's episode we are going to be looking into the 2022 season for running back ADP versus top 10 finishes. To start everything off, we're going to look at single quarterback for running backs. Jonathan Taylor was at 1.5. Christian McCaffrey was at 2.6. Derek Henry was at 3.9. Austin Eckler was at 4.4. Dalvin Cook was at 7. Najee Harris was at 8.6. Joe Mixon was at 10.1. Deandre Swift was at 13.4. Alvin Kamara was at 15.7. And Nick Chubb was at 16.7.
Speaker 2:To then jump over to Superflex Jonathan Taylor was at 2.4. Christian McCaffrey was at 5.2. Austin Eckler was at 8.5. Derek Henry was at 10.1. Najee Harris was at 13.3. Dalvin Cook was at 15.9. Joe Mixon was at 18. Deandre Swift was at 22.7. Alvin Kamara was at 26. Deandre Swift was at 22.7. Alvin Kamara was at 26.1. Nick Chubb was at 27.9. J-mill looking at the single quarterback versus super flex for running backs of the 2022 season. What stands out to?
Speaker 3:you. I mean initially you have the Derrick Henry and Austin Eckler switching spots. Yes, kamara seems a little low to me. I feel like I remember him getting drafted higher in leagues I was in Really not sure and I also noticed there was some jumbling up on the lower end. But I think the thing that sticks out the most is after the four at the top. There's kind of a drop off. If I remember correctly that season, yes, there was. You didn't say Saquon, did you?
Speaker 2:No, Saquon Barkley was not in the top 10 for ADP for single quarterback or super flex so I guess he's coming off of the two seasons where he had injury issues at this point in time it's possibly so, but the other thing that jumps out to me is Najee Harris and Dalvin Cook switch spots and but that was basically it for between single quarterback and super flex for the running back switch in positions. But besides that, how they went, especially Jonathan Taylor and Christian McCaffrey at the one and two, that's normal. Jonathan Taylor was coming off his great year.
Speaker 3:Yep, and Derrick Henry was lower on the list because he was coming off in a year in which he was, uh, injured for a part of it, and I guess CMC had a healthy year before it. Therefore he's now.
Speaker 2:He was now considered back, which you know yeah, yeah makes sense, but it's interesting, though, how Derrick Henry and Alston Eckler both switch spots between single quarterback and superfly.
Speaker 3:I mean not not really too interesting. Once again, like once, uh, these two quarterback numbers are probably more so, like I said before in a previous episode, that these two quarterback numbers are getting probably more like dynasty leagues and there's more of a chance that you're dealing with full ppr in those leagues. So it makes sense that eckler would be getting, would be getting, uh, drafted higher than henry in full ppr leagues at this point in time in their careers that's true.
Speaker 2:So to jump over to the top 10, finishes jay mill. Can you guess the top 10?
Speaker 3:well as someone who had had a lot of who still has too many shares of Austin Eckler. I know that Eckler paid off for me this year. If I'm correct, this is the year that CMC switched from Carolina to San Francisco. Yes, and I feel like that was a good CMC year. I, if I'm correct, henry, made a full bounce back this year. I'm pretty sure this was a really good year for Chubb too. I don't remember Najee in the top. I don't remember Swift in the top. This is Swift's last year as a Lion, if I remember correctly, and I feel like it was kind of injury riddled as a whole. I feel like I remember Kamara having a year. I think this is the first year Dalvin Cook started to drop off. I think there was some injuries. I mean mean, I guess I could look at the list to see how many games he played, but I'm going, I'm just going to go off the top of my head with that one. So, uh, how many more do I have to guess?
Speaker 2:um, so you only said four? No, I said more than four. Right? Yes, yes, you said more than four, but you said for who were on the list that you guessed oh, okay, only four.
Speaker 3:Let's look at who the starting running backs were this year, because you said you already said dalvin cook didn't make the list.
Speaker 2:You said naji harris didn't make the list. Oh, this was the tony pollard breakout wasn't it?
Speaker 3:yes, it was okay. So I'm gonna put tony pollard on the list. Okay, I I don't looking at names like miles, sanders, I I think that kamara made it did. Did etienne? How many games did etienne play this year? Etienne played 17 games. I'm going to say that Etienne made the top 10. Okay, how many games did James Conner play this year? James Conner, I'm having Conner memories.
Speaker 2:I don't know why James Conner only played 13 games. Okay, so hmm.
Speaker 3:Is this the year that Jamal Williams scored a ton of touchdowns For Detroit? Yeah, yes, it is. I'm going to put Jamal Williams in the top 10 because I think he cracks there because of the touchdown numbers.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:I think I had some shares of Mixon this year and I feel like I was really happy to have him as my RB2. So I'm going to say that Mixon stayed somewhere in the top 10.
Speaker 2:How many more do I have to guess with? So far, you have Austin Eckler, christian McCaffrey, derek Henry, nick Chubb, tony Pollard and Joe Mixon and Jamal Williams. So that is Well. I said, etienne too.
Speaker 3:So you have two more spots, two more spots. I'm going to go with Saquon Barkley because, if I remember him bouncing back correctly this year and wow, this is rough I correctly this year and wow, this is rough. I'm looking through lists of starters right now. Was this the josh jacobs career year?
Speaker 2:yes, it was. It was the year. Okay, josh jacobs said it's the year he led the league in rushing yards okay, yeah, because it was henry followed by uh, taylor followed by jacobs. Okay, yeah, so yeah, okay so for the top 10 running backs of the 2022 season, number one was austin neckler. Okay, yeah, I feel like the 2022 season number one was Austin Eckler. Okay, yeah, I feel like I remember that Yep Number two was Christian McCaffrey, not surprised at all. Number three was Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3:Okay, A little higher than I thought, because I don't remember a lot of receiving yards with it, so I was putting him probably closer to five, I think. Okay, dare.
Speaker 2:Henry was number four, not really surprised. Saquon Barkley was number five. Okay, nick Chubb was number six.
Speaker 3:Okay, Little higher for someone who doesn't catch passes but yeah, number seven was Ramondre Stevenson. I was never going to guess that. Honestly, like I knew Jonathan Taylor wasn't didn't make the list, but I probably would have guessed Jonathan Taylor before Ramondre Stevenson.
Speaker 2:Number eight was Tony Pollard. Asked Jonathan Taylor before Ramondre Stevenson. Number eight was Tony Pollard, okay, awesome. Number nine was Aaron Jones. Ah, I just glazed right over Aaron Jones.
Speaker 3:Okay, and number 10 was Joe Mixon, so Mixon did sneak in. So wait a minute if I put uh, so Etienne didn't make it, jamal Williams didn't make it and Alvin Kamara didn't make it, so I actually guessed 11. Then no, you guessed 10, but I only got two wrong. But I had three people didn't make it.
Speaker 2:OK, so yeah, you did get 11.
Speaker 3:So I guess I don't get credit for Josh Jacobs, since he was the last one that I that I guessed.
Speaker 2:OK, so yeah, if you were to look at the top 10, J.
Speaker 3:Mill. I actually I probably would have crossed off Joe Mixon. I probably wouldn't have crossed off Josh.
Speaker 2:Jacobs yeah, so if you look at this top 10, I'm guessing Ramondre Stevenson is the number one person that jumps out to you Like how did they make the list.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean that and Tony Pollard, because the Tony Pollard one didn't wasn't seen coming from anywhere either. To be completely honest, if I remember correctly, so like because Zeke was still well, I guess he wasn't getting drafted high right, zeke didn't make those lists either. So I guess, maybe people were.
Speaker 3:I guess people were thinking Tony Pollard I don't know, like the, ram Stevenson and Tony Pards are probably the ones that stick out the most. Josh Jacobs being number three is is a relatively decent surprise. I know that. I know that personally, I was still on my Josh Jacobs boycott because of a stunt that he pulled with fantasy managers. This is at the peak of the previous years was the peak of when Josh Jacobs did that Instagram thing where he lied about his game status and basically gave a middle finger to fantasy managers across the world, and it's kind of like I'm just going to go back for some bitterness really quick. Yeah, no, we don't care that. You don't care about fantasy football, josh Jacobs. Nfl is as popular as it is because fantasy football exists so deal with it yes, so but he's still an amazing player, it's just I don't like his attitude.
Speaker 3:Yes, but yeah, austin eckler, he austin eckler was austin eckler yeah, and austin eckler loves fantasy football for the record, so honestly, he plays it all the time. He plays that, he plays Madden. Austin Eckler is a gamer man.
Speaker 2:I was about to say. Austin Eckler goes on the Fantasy Football Podcast. He loves fantasy football.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. His work with Liz Loza was absolutely amazing too.
Speaker 2:And then Chris McCaffrey with San Fran.
Speaker 3:Yeah, had his big bounce back year, got traded midseason, just really torched it with San Fran. Him and Purdy come in and down the stretch with each other was really good and it's the current look of the 49ers.
Speaker 2:Literally and Josh Jacobs at number three.
Speaker 3:I'm only saying he's number three just because he led the league in rushing yards happens like not quite as impressive as the years that taylor and henry had before him as far as leading the league in rushing yards. But um, you know, it was still. You know, if you lead the league in yards, you lead the league in yards yeah, derrick henry, just being derrick henry bounce back from the injury showed that father time still isn't catching up with him.
Speaker 3:Nope, he's. You could basically say he's a yeti. Yeah, I mean, I mean yeah he doesn't. Rules of aging don't apply to Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2:Once again, Derrick.
Speaker 3:Henry is a universal truth.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, once it gets cold, he's just unstoppable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's. I mean, derrick Henry and Chuck Norris got into a battle once, and that's how the universe was formed.
Speaker 2:And then you say one Barkley at number five, it universe was formed. And then you say one Barkley at number five it's the first year of Brian Dable. If you look at Daniel Jones, if you look back at the 2022 season, I mean it's the first year that Saquon was healthy in like three years, wasn't it like?
Speaker 3:so he missed one game. Yeah, so that that tells you all you need to know. Saquon plus playing most of the season equals high-end fantasy production yes.
Speaker 2:and then Nick Chubb's in the top six because rushing yards, because he's the best because he's?
Speaker 3:because he was the best pure runner in the league at that point in time.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then number seven, ramondre Stevenson. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, I feel like I was on the wrong side of drafting Damian Harris over Ramondre Stevenson this year.
Speaker 2:I guess it was his second year in the league and he just went off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I'm sure people saw it coming. I don't remember giving too much stock into it, but no, but it's also.
Speaker 2:He took over that running back job from Damian Harrison. Yeah, so, and then number eight, tony Pollard.
Speaker 3:He just that one I saw coming Zeke you.
Speaker 2:You saw the drop off from 2021 for Zeke. Zeke just dropped off. He became literally no one. He just became a touchdown goal line and Tony Pollard got the ball. Yeah, and then number nine for Aaron Jones. It was the normal Aaron Jones year. It's business as usual. He's going to get you the rushing yards and he's also going to get you the receiving.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't have much to say about Aaron Jones one way or another. It's. He's someone I've owned shares of in the past. It's I mean, I mean you're fantasy running back number nine. He's obviously keeping you in games, but he's not winning you. He's not winning you championships by himself.
Speaker 2:No. And then number 10, joe Mixon. Again, he's the same. Like Aaron Jones, he's not going to lose you weeks, but he's not going to win you a season. He's not going to be the number one running back for your team.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean ideally, if you have a he, they could both be the number one running back for your team. If you have a championship team, you probably aren't going with Jones or Mixon as RB1. No, but yeah. So basically you're just stacked everywhere else?
Speaker 2:Yes, if yes, or unless they're your RB1 and your RB2. If they're your RB1 and RB2, you just drafted great yeah, because you're stealing Aaron Jones on whatever. I kind of would like to know where I don't know.
Speaker 3:Are you drafting great? Because one of them let's say that you have an end-of-the-turn pick, so I feel like either one of them let's say that you have an end of the turn pick, so I feel like either one of them in that year might have been a little bit of a reach, even for a 12th pick, to go back and back and do them 12-13. I almost feel like you probably could have gotten a better wide receiver there.
Speaker 2:So let's see Aaron Jones for ADP in 2022. Aaron Jones was going at 17.5, so he was going right after Nick.
Speaker 3:Chubb. Okay, so halfway through the second round. So I guess, and where?
Speaker 2:was mixing going. Mixing was going at.
Speaker 3:Mixing was going at 10.1 and single quarterback and 18 in super flex so if mixing was going, end of the first round yes, and that means you reached on aaron jones. To have aaron jones, joe mixon yes, that means are you or, or you reached on joe mixon, so having both of them would not have been a good draft theoretically no, no now looking at yeah, wouldn't, because would you take aaron jones over nick chubb well, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying that you factor in the wide receivers and the tight ends. At this point in time, I don't think that Aaron Jones and Joe Mixon ended up on many rosters with each other, unless your league mates are bad at drafting, or unless you're bad at drafting, or unless just a trade happened.
Speaker 2:So if you were to compare the top 10 finishes for 2022 season of running backs and the 2022 season for adp, between single quarterback and super flex, who on the list do you think were surprised that were drafted as high as they were and who finished where they did?
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't know about what you know I, I can't think the mindsets of surprises, it's just I'm I'm not surprised to see, uh, having jonathan taylor fall off as badly as he did is obviously a huge surprise especially when he's the number one running back in drafted yeah, so that that's obviously the huge surprise, but um, besides that, I don't think there's any real surprise that austin eckler and christian mccaffrey did as well as they did, so that those are the two biggest non-surprises, and Jonathan Taylor missing is the biggest surprise.
Speaker 3:I'm also pretty sure people didn't see the Dalvin Cook fall off happening either.
Speaker 2:No, but then you also had the Najee Harris effect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but there was a lot of us that were down on Najee by that point in time where even in the year that he did well, the year before he wasn't, Things didn't look right. So I don't think Najee Harris surprised a lot of people who were actually into fantasy football.
Speaker 2:No. And then DeAndre Swift. He lost to Jamal Williams with touchdowns.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, and he was hurt part of that season too. So I think it's more of a surprise that DeAndre Swift was being drafted as high as he was than that he didn't make the list. No, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, but yeah, if we were to really look into it, I don't think Najee Harris should have went in.
Speaker 3:the should have been a top 10 adp and deandre swift shouldn't have I mean maybe like it's, but once again, like, obviously with saquon outside of it, but at the same time saquon's coming off multiple years of injury. But we finally saw cmc back and like I, I don't know it's it felt like people were more down on saquon coming back from injury than they were on cmc coming back from injury, which is a tad puzzling because they're both freaks of nature. But you know, at the end of the day it's.
Speaker 3:I can't fault people for drafting the way they did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm pretty sure if Christian McCaffrey did not get traded to San Fran and he was still in Carolina this year, the 2022 season he probably wouldn't be number two. No, because, Derrick.
Speaker 3:Henry came back. Well, yeah.
Speaker 2:And wouldn't be number two. No, because Derrick Henry came back. Well, yeah, and Josh Jacobs had a big year. Josh Jacobs had career numbers. So we're going to look back at the top 10 ADP. For single quarterback and super flex, jonathan Taylor was at 1.5. Christian McCaffrey was at 2.6. Derrick Henry was at 3.9. Alston Eckler was at 4.4. Dalvin Cook was at 7. Najee Harris is at 8.6. 4.4. Dalvin Cook was at 7. Najee Harris is at 8.6. Joe Mixon was at 10.7. Deandre Swift was at 13.4. Alvin Kamara was at 15.7. Nick Chubb was at 16.7. Then, for Superflex, jonathan Taylor was at 2.4. Christian McCaffrey was at 5.2. Austin Eckler was at 8.5. Derek Henry was at 10.1. Najee Harris was at 13.3. Dalvin Cook was at 15.9. Joe Mixon was at 18. Deandre Swift was at 22.7. Alvin Kamara was at 26.1. Nick Chubb was at 27.9. And for the top 10 finishes of the 2022 season, austin Eckler was at 1. Christian McCaffrey was at 2. My name is Zach Waldron, with your co-host, jay Mill. Hey, hey, and thanks again.
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